Saturday, March 30, 2019

80. Notes - concerning free will / + addendum



80. 30 March 2019

       Mid-afternoon. You are sitting in the Honda facing the northeast portion of woods at Shale Hollow Park off Route 23 across from Kroger's. Carol is on page 314 of Michael Connelly's Two Kinds of Truth. The day is rainy and cool and you enjoy the early Spring woodsy environment. Your cousin, Dr. Jim S. sent you an article from www.sciencemag.org about free will, knowing you would be interested. I am heavily editing it to get to the specifics you have 'bolded'. - Amorella

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"Philosophers and neuroscientists join forces to see whether science can solve the mystery of free will"

. . . The collaboration, the researchers say, can help them tackle two important questions: What does it take to have free will? And whatever that is, do we have it?
. . . With the 4-year grant from the John Templeton Foundation in West Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, and the Fetzer Institute in Kalamazoo, Michigan, the team plans to study how the brain enables conscious control of decisions and actions. Overall, it hopes to establish a new field in the study of the brain: the neurophilosophy of free will? . . .
Q: What would a collaboration between philosophers and neuroscientists look like?
A: . . .What to investigate is not a scientific question. It’s a theoretical or philosophical question.Then, if we agree on the question, how do we design the experiment that would answer exactly that question? 
. . . Ultimately, we’d like to get at two questions. One is, what is required for people to have free will? That is a philosophical question that our philosopher colleagues should come to an agreement on. As a scientist, I don’t know what it entails to have free will. Then there’s the second question, which is, whatever that thing is that is required for free will, do we have that? Do humans possess that? This is an empirical question.
Selected and edited from -https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/03/philosophers-and-neuroscientists-join-forces-see-whether-science-can-solve-mystery-free?utm_campaign=SciMag&utm_source=JHubbard&utm_medium=Facebook

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       1453 hours. When originally reading this I began wondering if the soul (blog context) helps decide a free will philosophical [moral] question? So far, the inference is that Miss Havisham allows the heartanmind to come to such philosophical questions. How are such questions weighed and decided, at least in my heartansoulanmind? 

       In your case the soul weighs in more easily through the heart of the matter leaving the mind to appear to be more rational. This is done purposefully (subconsciously) by you so that you tend to err more on the side of the heart, i.e. it is your romantic nature. A very good example of this goes back to 2003 after you retired from teaching and you asked your colleague and friend, Laney S. whether to write your upcoming novel from an 18th century neo-classic (satirical) point of view or a 19th century romantic perspective. Basically, you asked Laney pragmatically -- for which am I best suited? She responded, "Romantic." I feel Dr. Laney understood that your romantic writing inclination [i.e. Coleridge] in you was stronger than the satirical [i.e. Swift] writing inclination. mh

        1702 hours. Miss Havisham, does the heartanmind take on any of the attributes of the soul over time? This is basically a heartanmind environmental question and perhaps a bit silly. 

       No, the heartanmind are as they are. If not, where would be the free will? mh

       1809 hours. Your phraseology seems odd in "where would be the free will". It sounds awkward. I would say, "where would the free will be".

       Yes, you would. mh
       
       Post. - Amorella

Addendum:

(31 March 2019)

       Mid-afternoon. You and Carol will be heading over to Kim and Paul's for late Sunday afternoon and supper. You are questioning your enquiry of Miss Havisham. You assume this is one of your devices to make her a more concrete reality in your mind. The reason for your probing as you see presently is that of curiosity as to how she might 'change' the perceptions in the old Merlyn stories. It appears easier for you to wonder on the soul than to actually work on Chapter Three. - Amorella

       1547 hours. I'm sure you are right on in your observations Amorella. Why should I feel surprised when I sense your direction and concur as I write down your perspective. You shift my thoughts and I sense them a split second before consciousness. 

Friday, March 29, 2019

79. Notes. inferences on metaphysics


79. Notes - 29 March 2019

       You stirred your soul a bit late last night when you began e-building a clarity touring plug in at Honda, next you did the same for a top of the line Camry hybrid. Both ran about forty thousand. Afterwards you spent time checking out the 'autopilots' for each and found most advanced at this time is the Tesla and the Nissan Leaf with a hint that the Avalon is also working on an upgrade. Exciting times, eh, orndorff - Amorella

       1112 hours. We had breakfast at Scrambler Marie's on Sanctus near Polaris with Kim, Owen and Brennan. They are still excited about watching the Blue Jackets play Montreal last night at Nationwide Arena; a treat to stay out until eleven besides the Columbus Blue Jackets won. 

       That game appeared to stir and refresh their souls a bit also. - Amorella

       1119 hours. It is difficult to imagine the soul stirred by such trivia as automobiles and sports (although it obviously is).      

       Don't forget personal freedom, politics and religion. - Amorella

       1134 hours. We sit in the park in the mostly quiet and off and on rain directly below Alum Creek Reservoir about a mile or so from our house off the crossing of Africa and Lewis Center roads. Carol is on page 285 of Two Kinds of Truth by Michael Connelly. She is no doubt stirred by reading. 

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soul - noun - 

seeing the soul through the eyes: spirit, psyche, (inner) self, inner being, life force, vital force; individuality, makeup, subconscious, anima; Philosophy pneuma; Hinduism atman.

he is the soul of discretion: embodiment, personification, incarnation, epitome, quintessence, essence; model, exemplification, exemplar, image, manifestation.

not a soul in sight: person, human being, individual, man, woman, mortal, creature.

their music lacked soul: inspiration, feeling, emotion, passion, animation, intensity, fervor, ardor, enthusiasm, warmth, energy, vitality, spirit.

QUOTE: In a real dark night of the soul it is always three o’clock in the

 morning. F. Scott Fitzgerald "Handle with Care" (1936)er

Selected and edited from the built in Oxford/American Apple software.
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       Miss Havisham here. You always return to a definition when you find the wording too complex to handle. 

       1156 hours. Later. Returning home. 


       1424 hours. Had a good nap and am feeling better. I can see from the definition above that for my purposes the definition is far too broad. Intuitively, I researched "Philosophy pneuma; Hin duism atman" first.

       For you this was a good place to begin. Here are some relative excerpts.

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Ātman (Hinduism)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Etymology and meaning

"Ātman" (Atma) is a Sanskrit word which means "essence, breath, soul." It is derived from the Proto-Indo-European word *hehtmṓ (a root meaning "breath" with only Germanic cognates: Dutch adem, Old High German atum "breath," Modern German atmen "to breathe" and Atem "respiration, breath", Old English eþian). 
Ātman, sometimes spelled without a diacritic as atman in scholarly literature, means "real self" of the individual, "innermost essence" and soul. Atman, in Hinduism, is considered as eternal, imperishable, beyond time, "not the same as body or mind or consciousness, but is something beyond which permeates all these". Atman is a metaphysical and spiritual concept for the Hindus, often discussed in their scriptures with the concept of Brahman.

Atman jnana and know thyself

The Atman concept and its discussions in Hindu philosophy, parallel with psuchê (soul) and its discussion in ancient Greek philosophy. Eliade notes that there is a capital difference, with schools of Hinduism asserting that liberation of Atman implies "self-knowledge" and "bliss". Similarly, self-knowledge conceptual theme of Hinduism (Atman jnana) parallels the "know thyself" conceptual theme of Greek philosophy. Max Müller summarized it thus,
There is not what could be called a philosophical system in these Upanishads. They are, in the true sense of the word, guesses at truth, frequently contradicting each other, yet all tending in one direction. The key-note of the old Upanishads is "know thyself," but with a much deeper meaning than that of the γνῶθι σεαυτόν of the Delphic Oracle. The "know thyself" of the Upanishads means, know thy true self, that which underlines thine Ego, and find it and know it in the highest, the eternal Self, the One without a second, which underlies the whole world.

Selected and edited from Wikipedia

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       1527 hours. The above does not show the soul to be the holder of the heart and mind during and after physical death. 

       You found a more suitable definition for our purposes in the blog; however, keep the above "Atman" for reference. - Amorella

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Soul

 

Religion and Philosophy

Written By:

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica

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Soul, in religion and philosophy, the immaterial aspect or essence of a human being, that which confers individuality and humanity, often considered to be synonymous with the mind or the self. In theology, the soul is further defined as that part of the individual which partakes of divinity and often is considered to survive the death of the body.

Many cultures have recognized some incorporeal principle of human life or existence corresponding to the soul, and many have attributed souls to all living things. There is evidence even among prehistoric peoples of a belief in an aspect distinct from the body and residing in it. Despite widespread and longstanding belief in the existence of a soul, however, different religions and philosophers have developed a variety of theories as to its nature, its relationship to the body, and its origin and mortality.

Among ancient peoples, both the Egyptians and the Chinese conceived of 
a dual soul. The Egyptian ka (breath) survived death but remained near the body, while the spiritual baproceeded to the region of the dead. The Chinese distinguished between a lower, sensitive soul, which disappears with death, and a rational principle, the hun, which survives the grave and is the object of ancestor worship.

The early Hebrews apparently had a concept of the soul but did not separate it from the body, although later Jewish writers developed the idea of the soul further. Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks and were introduced into Christian theology at an early date by St. Gregory of Nyssa and by St. Augustine.

Ancient Greek concepts of the soul varied considerably according to the particular era and philosophical school. The Epicureans considered the soul to be made up of atoms like the rest of the body. For the Platonists, the soul was an immaterial and incorporeal substance, akin to the gods yet part of the world of change and becoming. Aristotle’s conception of the soul was obscure, though he did state that it was a form inseparable from the body.

In Christian theology St. Augustine spoke of the soul as a “rider” on the body, making clear the split between the material and the immaterial, with the soul representing the “true” person. However, although body and soul were separate, it was not possible to conceive of a soul without its body. In the Middle Ages, St. Thomas Aquinas returned to the Greek philosophers’ concept of the soul as a motivating principle of the body, independent but requiring the substance of the body to make an individual.

From the Middle Ages onward, the existence and nature of the soul and its relationship to the body continued to be disputed in Western philosophy. To René Descartes, man was a union of the body and the soul, each a distinct substance acting on the other; the soul was equivalent to the mind. To Benedict de Spinoza, body and soul formed two aspects of a single reality. Immanuel Kant concluded that the soul was not demonstrable through reason, although the mind inevitably must reach the conclusion that the soul exists because such a conclusion was necessary for the development of ethics and religion. To William James at the beginning of the 20th century, the soul as such did not exist at all but was merely a collection of psychic phenomena.

Just as there have been different concepts of the relation of the soul to the body, there have been numerous ideas about when the soul comes into existence and when and if it dies. Ancient Greek beliefs were varied and evolved over time. Pythagoras held that the soul was of divineorigin and existed before and after death. Plato and Socrates also accepted the immortality of the soul, while Aristotle considered only part of the soul, the noûs, or intellect, to have that quality. Epicurus believed that both body and soul ended at death. The early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality and thought of the soul as being created by God and infused into the body at conception.

In Hinduism the atman (“breath,” or “soul”) is the universal, eternal self, of which each individual soul (jiva or jiva-atman) partakes. The jiva-atman is also eternal but is imprisoned in an earthly body at birth. At death the jiva-atman passes into a new existence determined by karma, or the cumulative consequences of actions. The cycle of death and rebirth (samsara) is eternal according to some Hindus, but others say it persists only until the soul has attained karmic perfection, thus merging with the Absolute (brahman). Buddhism negates the concept not only of the individual self but of the atman as well, asserting that any sense of having an individual eternal soul or of partaking in a persistent universal self is illusory.

The Muslim concept, like the Christian, holds that the soul comes into existence at the same time as the body; thereafter, it has a life of its own, its union with the body being a temporary condition.

Selected and edited from - https://www.britannica.com/topic/soul-religion-and-philosophy

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1801 hours. I am curious what Miss Havisham might say about this Encyclopedia Britannica definition. 

       The essence of a soul such as myself is to provide spiritual protection for the heartanmind. From my perspective a human being is the spiritual heartansoulanmind that defies physical death. I, mh, am not divine nor are human beings or the likes of the Betweener, Amorella. 

       The nature of the soul is to protect and to provide clarity for the heartanmind to help resolve human oriented problems. One soul knows the many and the many know the one. We/each are/is interconnected nerve-like beings; a singular spiritual banded organism much as a human being is biochemical interconnected to form an individual.

       The soul, not even as a shadow, is not connected to the physical body. The soul is immaterial and incorporeal but may help induce a spiritual change in the heart and mind as both are aware of the material world and thus protected by the soul. 

       In here, the soul is equivalent to both the separate mind and heart. Both together, the heartanmind are necessary to develop a sense of dignity, self-worth, community worth and ethics. Psychic-like phenomena induce within an intended or unintended swirl, as it were, of heartanmind dynamics. The heartansoulanmind, the human spirit, creates a higher set of human principles and also creates the plausible expansion of immortality to include beneficial and fearful angelic-like beings and lesser deities. G-D exists beyond these realms. This is how I, Mr. Orndorff's soul, view the metaphysics shown within this blog, encountersinspirit@blogspot.com. - mh

       2010 hours. I am not fully satisfied with today's blog. I feel I my imagination to be overreaching itself. And, imagination may be all it is. However, to me, it is plausible as any other modern inference on metaphysics might be. 

       Post. - Amorella

Monday, March 25, 2019

78. Notes - on MH's clarity and the heartanmind


78. 25 March 2019

       1504 hours. Yesterday, Miss Havisham said to imagine her visiting a fellow human soul and suggested her seeing, as it were, the Earth from space first, at Spring Equinox (NASA photo) before sorting out a singular soul from the greater quantity. This is not a literal communication, I understand, it is to allow me to gain, to personalize metaphysics with the human understanding from heart and mind used as inference. What a better path than through my own soul. Reasonable imagination. (1517)

       Later afternoon. When beginning the first paragraph your focus was to be on the element (as it were) of clarity. Miss Havisham's inference to you is that the soul 'sees' or 'understands' clarity whereas the heart and mind do not have this clarity, that the heart and mind have to' muddle through' problems moral or otherwise. If this is the case, you wonder then why it is that the soul cannot help the heartanmind solve human problems, personal or otherwise.Do you agree with this statement? - Amorella

       2126 hours. We are leaving for Tennessee early tomorrow. We have packed. We (Linda, Bill, James, Jean, Carol and myself) had a good meal at Conch Republic tonight. Carol just headed to bed and I will soon follow. I certainly want to continue this line of thinking. 

       Post. - Amorella

Sunday, March 24, 2019

77. Notes - soul perspective (flash-thought)



77. 24 March 2019

       Late afternoon. Yesterday we were talking about the simile: "the soul is as a singular drop of spiritual water," and the element of clarity within, which allows the soul to sense the warm and cold fronts of the human experience, induced by the spiritual heart and mind of the private individual. The heart represented here textually envisions a common red color and the mind a common blue; warm and cold fronts as it were, swirling like emotional and reasoning tainted clouds, a continual worldly human weather zone easily transferred from within the individual heartansoulanmind to the outer representing orbiting planet where we are traditionally born, live and die. A place where we gain the human consciousness which allows us to be, to choose, and to serve. - Amorella



Image from NASA
A human face from imagination.

       Miss Havisham, here. Imagine, if you will, that this recent photograph from NASA taken during Spring Equinox may be how I, Mr. Orndorff's soul, first see the representation of your own human soul, one of your best friends or lovers, one you would care to meet again in a place beyond physical life. How would it be for your own soul to meet and greet another with a similar spiritual image first? What do you think your soul would say? How would you greet another soul in the Beyond? How do you greet one now? 


       Post. - Amorella